Geckilian
Leadership Council
Empires Mierely require time.
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Post by Geckilian on Oct 17, 2015 18:19:57 GMT -7
Looking up from behind his desk, Tharrus gestures for those present to feel free to sit down or take refreshment.
"Welcome again. You all wanted to talk with me again so please, ask away. I'll answer what I think is appropriate, so don't worry about offending me."
Leaning back in his chair, Tharrus' wooden face cannot smile, but the tilt of his head and relaxed posture indicates an openness to discourse.
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Post by shroudb on Oct 18, 2015 9:10:28 GMT -7
ooc: What's his appearence? Aran hasnt seen him
"Greetings Mayor. My name is Aran Ivae'ess. Forgive my bluntness, but I'm not one that laces his words behind subterfuge.
The reason I've asked for a personnal meeting with you, is... this. (Aran will wave his hand pointing out towards the city)
I've heard weird stories about this place, but confirming them with my own two eyes wasn't what i really expected to happen.
Intelligent skelletons, free-willing lower undead, beings that register as evil in the cosmic sense of the word, but their actions being nowhere near that.
I was told that you were the one who created both them, and this city, The "benevolent" father of those creations who made them and subsequently set them free. A... man?... clearly capable of folding the fabric of this world, as it is apparent from your fortress here, as well as the fabric of the landscape of souls, as we can see in your children.
I don't expect an answer as to the "how" you did all those, Wizards are always overprotective of their secrets. I don't even expect an honest answer as for the "why" you did so, doing something like that is obvious that it is something that it's motives are quite far fetching, and I'm always wary of people who give whitout asking for something in return, as you did with those souls you brought back into unlife and then set free.
What I would like thought, would be an honest conversation of you, and your views on life and the cosmic scale of good and evil, with me, a member of the Ivae'ess family who simply doesn't trust the teachings of his own family any more.
I don't know if you know of my family, but their name, the "lightbringers" (Aran will snicker at this translation), are kinda reknowned for their connection to the sun. They revere life and they take upon the mantle of a judge. Rigid in their beliefs of good vs evil, they struggle to shine their blinding light into the world. Falsely believing that it's purging glare will rid the world of evil.
But I have seen greatness and goodness into the darkest corners of the slums, and maliciousness and treachery inside well-litten patios in plain view of the whole world to see. I have seen cutthroats risking their life to save another, and divine beings slaying without batting an eye. I no longer think... no, actually, I'm pretty certain that "good" and "evil" doesn't exist at all. Or to be more fair, that both "good" and "evil" exist simultaneously in all things, and in the exact equal amount.
So, for me, this city of the dead, this experiement of yours, is like a testament, so far, that I was correct. That evil can be good, and if.... when, actually, the forces of "good" attack you and try to whipe you out of existance, good would once again be doing evil work.
As the creator of this paradox, what can you tell me about all this? Why did you do it, or at least how you camouflage the real reasons behind that question? Are the undead really normal in the sense of good and evil, or are they just puppets following a predetermined script? Would you count yourself as good or evil? And what do you think in general for the cosmic war of the alignemnts?
I could really write a book with all the questions I could ask you. That's why i gave you a full background of where I come from, and what i search, so as not to lose an eternity trying to answer each question, but leaving you the freedom to answer one such as me, the things that you believe would be the most benefitial for him"
ooc: Aran is under a heroism spell, perceive cues and focused scrutiny for ~50minutes, giving him a sense motive of +32, or 42 with take 10. His take 10 on knowledge religion on what he is is 24+1d6.
(also sorry, jeez that came out longer than i expected)
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Geckilian
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Post by Geckilian on Oct 20, 2015 14:53:11 GMT -7
Tharrus himself appear to be a well articulated and fashioned wooden mannequin, a classically handsome face graced with amethyst eyes situated upon a sleight frame. His style of dress is clearly linked to Freygate - a mix of blacks and greys of well made, but not quite noble, clothing.
"A pleasure you meet you Aran Ivae'ness. Bluntness does not bother me, I've lived far too long for that to really phase me any longer. I'm afraid I've not heard of your family before, but then I've never really been one to delve deep in to the outside world of lineages and those around me. Most of my quite considerable time has been spent in introspection." Steepling his hands amiably in front of himself, Tharrus leans forward.
"I can appreciate your stance on morality. I can attest to there being inherent natures of good and evil, as some are wont to call it, but I find that such classifications are often stifling. A being is more than a set of blinkered motives and paths. As you have noted, those classed as good per persecute and punish, and those classed as evil may offer succour and forgiveness. I don't consider morality to be so easily reduced to such classifications in terms of actions at least."
After a few moments of pondering the rest of the questions, Tharrus tilts his head to the side slightly. "I mainly constructed this city due to wanting to see how it would enfold. It's not particularly my main goal for existance but as will all things that exist and can, a desire to procreate is a natural impulse. They are effectively my linage to the world, should I eventually leave it. I intend for it to ensure and so, for that to happen, I gave them the nature of free will in order to inform their own 'life' choices." Chuckling as his little jest, Tharrus gestures around, though his study has no windows or other openings.
"They are as normal as you or I, though in the cosmic scale of things would largely be evil. No matter their actions of world views, some things register just so no matter how you amend or change them. If you were to check me and I lower my protections, I too would register as evil." With a shrug, Tharrus says, "That's just how things are. This cosmic scale and measurement does lead to wars as you mention, but I largely stay out of them. I've had a few visitors concerned about the city and thus far been able to negotiate quite amicably with them."
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Post by shroudb on Oct 20, 2015 15:08:36 GMT -7
"What really intrigues me thought is the very nature of your creations. Normally person isn't acting evil because divine eyes judge him as evil. Instead a person is judged evil in the scales if his actions are evil. So, given that your creations, as normal undead, still register as evil, doesn't it really means that you simply failed to give them trully free will?
Doesn't that inherent nature of the forces that bind those souls prevent them from being good? In a more literal sense, that means that despite their intentions, and apparent actions, inside of them, something forces them to actually act in their predesignated evil nature.
It's true, as i said before, that my own views are that those divine seperations aren't all inclusive, that a person that appears evil is capable of good and vice verse, but a person who continusly do good acts, will eventually register as "good" in the cosmic scale. Your creations thought, IF they are unable to change their nature, mean that their own nature will eventually drive them to evil acts
That's what's bothering me, and that's what my mind can't grasp. Simply put, if one is completly free to act as he wants, the cosmic balance CAN'T restrict that. If one is unable to get judged as "good" by this world's perception, then he ultimatly isn't free. And if he isn't free, what really controls it if it isn't you?"
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