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Post by oddeofreq on Sept 5, 2015 17:03:16 GMT -7
Here is my case: If you attach a chain to a Kama, does it change the fact that it is still used as a Kama?
According to Paizo, a Kusarigama is defined as a single sickle held in the off-hand attached by 10 feet of fine chain to a weighted
metal ball. The sickle is used to make trips, jabs, and
blocks while the ball is whipped around at high speeds
and then smashed into the opponent. in function, a blunt spiked chain, attached to a sickle. The means at which they are attached does not alter how they function compared to their separate pieces. Each weapon separated is either, a light weapon or has the Finesse feature.
I propose to you, That by not making this modification, you are admitting that by adding a chain to a Kama it no longer functions as a Kama.
Same argument can be said about the double-chained Kama and Kyoketsu Shoge.
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Post by tkul on Sept 5, 2015 18:04:21 GMT -7
You are correct, once attached to a chain it does no longer function as a kama, it functions as a kusarigama, thus the separate stat block and different rules.
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Post by oddeofreq on Sept 6, 2015 10:13:20 GMT -7
You are correct, once attached to a chain it does no longer function as a kama, it functions as a kusarigama, thus the separate stat block and different rules. i meant in real life. the kama half of a Kusarigama is used in the same manor as a regular kama. besides that, the chain is fine. when you attack with it it's not a strength based throw. you spin it to build momentum (dex skills) and time the release so that it flies at the opponent. And also, i just realized 2 things, the chain attack would not qualify to add STR to damage. becuase you are not throwing the weighted end, you are twirling it and letting it fly. Second, two-weapon penalties should apply for those who are not proficient. to support my statment: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmFR6AN8bHI tell me at what point this does NOT look like it's DEX based to hit? more demos www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCBu3H-ajgE www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gt1jL0tlTM |
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Post by Geckilian on Sept 6, 2015 10:20:35 GMT -7
Still a no, oddeofreq. Pathfinder may be many things, but it's not closely mapped to reality.
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Post by oddeofreq on Sept 6, 2015 10:23:33 GMT -7
Still a no, oddeofreq. Pathfinder may be many things, but it's not closely mapped to reality. then what does Pathfinder Base, What should be considered Dex Based and what shouldn't? yeah we can reference the list, but wha does Pathfinder use to make the list? |
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Post by Geckilian on Sept 6, 2015 10:25:19 GMT -7
I would recommend asking on the official Paizo boards, since they have more input on their game's design process.
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Post by tkul on Sept 6, 2015 13:41:45 GMT -7
As much fun as spinning them around might be that's not how you'd actually use them since that doesn't generate a lot of directed force. This is kind of a poster child weapon for why the disconnect of mechanics and reality exists. In reality this weapon doesn't work all that well, it's clumsy, requires wind up time, and is inaccurate with little additional power being generated over just clubbing someone. If we were to actually adjust the rules to match the reality of the weapon it probably wouldn't be favorable. There's a reason why professional fighting forces never used anything like it, but it does look cool when its whipping around so it got romanticized.
To go with your demo videos here's one of how a kusarigama fares against someone armed with traditional weapons in a practical application -https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=naV3Mq24cZ0
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Post by kenodarkfire on Dec 3, 2016 22:19:58 GMT -7
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Post by kenpui on Dec 5, 2016 18:58:15 GMT -7
? as for the reason this topic was brought back to light, the official paizo stance has not changed. Though the weapon itself may be made of two finessable parts the combination of the two for some reason or another is not.
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