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Post by Ms. Raital Latral on Jun 19, 2015 20:04:23 GMT -7
Hiya!
First off, thank you for taking the time to read this thread, I really appreciate the work and effort that goes into maintaining a PW. So, thanks!
I've noticed that there are a high number of racial restrictions in this PW. I've tried asking a few times about it in IRC, but either people were busy, didn't see it, or weren't really able to provide a concrete explanation of the rationale that goes behind it or the methodology for how races are unlocked, which races will be unlocked, or how race unlocks are chosen.
I've made this thread for two reasons: One, any information about how these choices are made or implemented would be highly useful. As well as any information as to whether we as players have any power to suggest races we would like to see and play, or influence what will be unlocked in the future.
And secondly, to ask about Dhampir in particular. I am extremely keen upon the idea of making a Dhampir. A Dhampir bard named Nymira, actually. However Dhampir don't seem to be unlocked according to the race list posted, though someone in IRC (pardon me for not remembering their name) mentioned that they thought Dhampir may have been unlocked already?
But I wanted to ask: Will Dhampir become a playable race? If so is there a time frame? If it has not been considered, is there anyway for me to influence or push for Dhampir as playable characters? The persistent world allows the vampire template, and the template rules state that you must find others that share the template you wish to have, mingle with them, and attune with them, meaning that there are other Vampires in the world.
As such, I think that it's a natural occurrence that Dhampir likely exist in this world as well, so I guess I'm just curious about whether or not I should hold any hope for being able to play one.
Once again, thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Ms. Latral
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diskelemental
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Post by diskelemental on Jun 19, 2015 21:35:53 GMT -7
Dhamphir is not a playable race, and there are currently no plans to make them a playable race.
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Ash
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Post by Ash on Jun 19, 2015 21:44:29 GMT -7
If it has not been considered, is there anyway for me to influence or push for Dhampir as playable characters? Become a GM, talk to the world builders/leadership about it, and if they say it's fine then run some sessions that involve them. |
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Post by Ms. Raital Latral on Jun 20, 2015 9:44:52 GMT -7
Alrighty.
Though I am curious: What rationale and decision making process do you guys use to decide which races are playable, which are not. What sort of process must happen to make a race that already exists in the world, but isn't playable, playable? (Such as Dhampir. Since Vampire exist, Dhampir inevitably do as well, but simply aren't playable.)
Thanks
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Zanos
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Post by Zanos on Jun 20, 2015 10:02:51 GMT -7
Either a lack of discovering them or a or a lack of existence at all.
The vampire template hasn't been around for a very long time, and nobody has actually taken it. I would still be impressed if someone could manage to breed a significant number of offspring with no known method of conception and grow them to untold in about a year game time.
Vampires themselves don't have a significant presence in Rook and the surrounds other than isolated incidents, although they do exist in the world at large.
Even when vampires do mingle significantly with humans, Dhamphir creation is not well understood, not intentional, and generally met with revulsion by both parents. Considering the outlook of the typical vampire, I doubt many would survive long.
So basically they aren't available due to the sheer lack of numbers and the lack of a large vampire presence in or around any of the current areas of play.
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Post by Ms. Raital Latral on Jun 20, 2015 12:43:19 GMT -7
The world is much, much larger than Rook is it not? And I presume the world didn't spring into existence in the last year ICly right?
The fact that the vampire template hasn't been taken yet is merely indicative of the fact that no players have it. We, players, are the underwhelming minority of inhabitants in the world, and the NPCs and organisms of the world will continue to flourish, move, and thrive, with or without us.
That includes Vampires and Dhampir. Just because we don't see them doesn't mean that they don't exist. Both are known for their ability to blend into society, and it's entirely possible, and even -likely- that there are populations of them within Rook, since they require the sustenance provided by the blood of the living, as well they are social creatures just like any other peoples that has societal structures.
Also, out of curiosity, how 'dense' must a population be before it becomes playable? If Dhampir for example, are not as populace as humans or other races in Rook for example, why does that preclude them from being played?
Thank you once again for your responses, I appreciate hearing your inputs.
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Post by tkul on Jun 20, 2015 12:56:14 GMT -7
Sounds like you've already gotten an answer and a reasoned response. They're not in the game because they're not around. They might be on the other side of the planet but they're not in the immediate environs that the game takes place in. Even if they were in the immediate area it doesn't mean they'd automatically be allowed. Orcs and Giants are both in the area around Rook and neither of those are allowed either. That's it, that's the answer. If there's additional lore or plot reasons why they're not around that will come out in time, but it doesn't change the fact that they're not there now.
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Post by diskelemental on Jun 20, 2015 13:10:57 GMT -7
The world is much, much larger than Rook is it not? And I presume the world didn't spring into existence in the last year ICly right? The fact that the vampire template hasn't been taken yet is merely indicative of the fact that no players have it. We, players, are the underwhelming minority of inhabitants in the world, and the NPCs and organisms of the world will continue to flourish, move, and thrive, with or without us. You're attempting to use the existence of the vampire template as evidence that dhampirs exist in/around Rook, when that's not the case. As Zanos said, the existence of vampires does not necessarily mean that dhampirs exist. That includes Vampires and Dhampir. Just because we don't see them doesn't mean that they don't exist. Both are known for their ability to blend into society, and it's entirely possible, and even -likely- that there are populations of them within Rook I can put the baseless speculation to rest; there is no dhampir population of any note in Rook. Also, out of curiosity, how 'dense' must a population be before it becomes playable? If Dhampir for example, are not as populace as humans or other races in Rook for example, why does that preclude them from being played. There's no solid number, but a race needs to form a notable percentage of the population in/around Rook before it'll even be considered for inclusion. Dhampir are not allowed, and there are no plans to make them available. You're free to argue all you want, but that's the bottom line. |
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Post by xemadus on Jun 20, 2015 13:22:37 GMT -7
If you really want a dhampire you can mimic it by making a black blooded drow (oracle black blooded archetype, and i think there's a barbarian one too). Go for sanguine sorcerer and you can get that real vampiric feel to it.
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Post by Ashiel on Jun 20, 2015 16:10:03 GMT -7
If you really want a dhampire you can mimic it by making a black blooded drow (oracle black blooded archetype, and i think there's a barbarian one too). Go for sanguine sorcerer and you can get that real vampiric feel to it. Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to, and highly specific, when you could just be a Pathfinder race already intended for PCs. |
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Post by Ms. Raital Latral on Jun 20, 2015 16:28:38 GMT -7
If you really want a dhampire you can mimic it by making a black blooded drow (oracle black blooded archetype, and i think there's a barbarian one too). Go for sanguine sorcerer and you can get that real vampiric feel to it. Can I play as a human and fluff myself as a Dhampir based on what Xemadus has said? Also as for everyone else, I apologize if my apologetic posts came off as abrasive. I had no intent nor desire for that to be the case. I simply was seeking knowledge in the most polite and respectful way I can. I'm sorry if it came off as argumentative. |
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Post by Ashiel on Jun 20, 2015 16:32:07 GMT -7
If you really want a dhampire you can mimic it by making a black blooded drow (oracle black blooded archetype, and i think there's a barbarian one too). Go for sanguine sorcerer and you can get that real vampiric feel to it. Can I play as a human and fluff myself as a Dhampir based on what Xemadus has said? Also as for everyone else, I apologize if my apologetic posts came off as abrasive. I had no intent nor desire for that to be the case. I simply was seeking knowledge in the most polite and respectful way I can. I'm sorry if it came off as argumentative. I can't answer your first question. I can however, in all certainty, say that your posts were probably the least argumentative that I read in this thread, most reasoned, and least abrasive. EDIT: Actually, Ash's post was pretty great too. |
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Zanos
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Post by Zanos on Jun 20, 2015 17:02:13 GMT -7
Your character is free to believe whatever it wants, but anyone with a decent knowledge check will probably tell you you're wrong.
Dhamphir aren't available for lore reasons, so pretending to be a Dhamphir via other features probably won't turn out great.
And again, as I've said, there is not a substantial(or any) population of Dhamphirs or Vampires in or around Rook or the current areas of the world that are played in.
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Post by Ms. Raital Latral on Jun 20, 2015 17:04:41 GMT -7
Alrighty then. Thank you.
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Post by kipshades on Jun 23, 2015 17:55:36 GMT -7
Either a lack of discovering them or a or a lack of existence at all. The vampire template hasn't been around for a very long time, and nobody has actually taken it. I would still be impressed if someone could manage to breed a significant number of offspring with no known method of conception and grow them to untold in about a year game time. Vampires themselves don't have a significant presence in Rook and the surrounds other than isolated incidents, although they do exist in the world at large. Even when vampires do mingle significantly with humans, Dhamphir creation is not well understood, not intentional, and generally met with revulsion by both parents. Considering the outlook of the typical vampire, I doubt many would survive long. So basically they aren't available due to the sheer lack of numbers and the lack of a large vampire presence in or around any of the current areas of play. Considering that if someone were to go full Dio Brando and become a vampire, get a bunch of women knocked up, abandon them to raise his bastard sons either alone or with some other guy, and then maybe, maybe after literally decades in terms of real time (My estimates say over 27 years real time just to reach adulthood if we're going with the whole "One day in real time is 4 days in-game" thing) we might be able to have Dhampir PCs. And that's assuming that it works like it does in other settings and you'll end up with Dhampir and not just a bunch of Undead-bloodline Sorcerers, Bloodragers, and Eldritch Scions running around I see where you're coming from. |
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