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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 20, 2014 14:07:14 GMT -7
1. Multi-attack and other feats, I Believe there was an errata on this that stated you can take a feat you don’t qualify for if you have a way of qualification (IE: multi-attack doesn’t work unless you have secondary natural attacks), but if you wild shape into something that meets the requirements shouldn’t the feat then work?
Are we using this interpretation? I do believe this was addressed by paizo but I am unable to find it.
2. Druid domains and Animal Shamans, this is more of a house rule, but I do consider it an oversight, a wolf shaman druid can’t for example take the WOLF domain RAW. However there is the clause that gm can add appropriate domains and none of these are exceedingly powerful and make sense in for the Shamans. I don’t really care about this one to much but it’s still kind of annoying, these domains were made after the shamans and seemingly forgotten.
3. Animal shaman druids and templates. The eagle shaman errata specifically states eagle shamans can take the form of young animals of their totem type (or else they couldn’t even become rocs). The designer of this archetype stated he felt this would be appropriate for all shamans. This would mean that a Wolf shaman could take the form of a huge dire wolf (dire wolf stats, but huge sized) which is appropriate considering he can do this with summons.
4. Barding, are we allowing players to order custom shaped armor to use with wild shape forms? Wild armor is outrageously expensive and you can have an ally fit it onto you when you’re shifted. Assuming your normal combat form isn’t to outrageously shaped it seems purchasing this at the standard markup is reasonable but up to the leadership staff.
This is all I can think of right now, some rulings on these issues would be helpful considering how they can effect decisions characters make and we will be hopefully having a large influx of new players who may want to use these options (I myself wish to make a druid to use at launch).
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Post by Zanos on Nov 21, 2014 18:02:10 GMT -7
1. Since you could technically level up while wild-shaped, as long as you have access to a form that provides the qualification for the feat, you can take it.
2. As far as I can tell the Animal and Terrain domains are available to any Druid who selects a domain for their Nature's Bond class feature.
3. I don't see that errata anywhere, and in general i'm a little wary about letting people take the forms of templated animals.
4. IIRC, armor sized for lager sizes costs twice as much per size category, and armor for a non-humanoid shaped creature costs double. This is why barding costs 4x as much as standard armor, as a horse is non-humanoid and large. So yes.
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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 21, 2014 22:04:41 GMT -7
On the subject of templates, the way he explained it was that you use the stats of the beast (such as dire wolve) and just apply the huge size benefits to it. It is in a sense a advanced dire wolve in flavor, but mechanics wise it is a Huge Dire wolf. The designer implemented this because as written, the eagle shaman cannot take the form of any rocs as it was first written (despite it clearly saying they would) as a roc is to big to wildshape into. Thus, he said a "Young roc" would merely be the standard roc using huge size instead of gargantuan to calculate stats. paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9rajHere is that particular errata, and there is a thread were the designer suggested it as an option to all shamans. They can do this with summons, and it would be a nice boost for some of the archetype as currently you cannot take some higher forms with alot of those archetypes. |
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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 21, 2014 22:05:22 GMT -7
oh and yes, for the 4th question I was unclear, but I was a asking if we could purchase it for the marked up price as it is unusually shaped.
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Post by Gryphyx on Nov 22, 2014 12:46:29 GMT -7
oh and yes, for the 4th question I was unclear, but I was a asking if we could purchase it for the marked up price as it is unusually shaped. Yes. But its doubtful they'd have anything in stock so you'd have to order it on day x and get it on day x+crafting time. Keep in mind that craft progress is increased by 7x. |
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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 22, 2014 13:07:12 GMT -7
Understood on that count, just need the ruling on that final shaman question in my second post and thats everything, thanks guys.
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Post by Zanos on Nov 22, 2014 15:19:05 GMT -7
The FAQ seems pretty specific that it only applies to Eagle shamans.
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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 22, 2014 15:55:31 GMT -7
Yeah, thats why I figured it would be a semi-house rule, the designer did state you could possibly apply this to the weaker shamans (would be a nice boost) but its not anything I particularly care about.
Thanks again for clearing this up.
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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 22, 2014 19:41:14 GMT -7
Though I will admit, its lame that you cant even turn into a trex but you can have one as a companion. So the template thing for shamans is kind of cool.
Although its not RAW, I would like to put forward the idea to allow Animal shaman druids the ability to apply size increases to there forms. It would work exactly like the eagle shaman and really help out the crapier ones without making the already strong ones any stronger. Saurian and lion already get great forms up to huge, it just means a wolves or bear shaman is completely screwed with higher level wildshape. In a sense its not taking an animal and applying a template to it. To make something like a "Giant" Dire wolve, you would merely take the standard dire wolf and use the rules for huge wild shape (exact stat bonuses and everything), thus your "Giant" Dire Wolf would give stats like a huge creature under wildshape and have the acompaning effects of huge size (reach, ac penalty, etc.). I do think this is a fair rule and would really help with paizo's frankly crap animal choices (its either cat or dinosaur, anything else either doesnt get to a good size or has bad attacks/special attacks)
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Post by Zanos on Nov 23, 2014 22:29:00 GMT -7
I don't think I have a problem with a player using Wildshape to shift into a huge version of a smaller creature, but it would have to be on a case by case basis since Beast Shape III grants a lot more special abilities than Beast Shape II and I don't want to accidental approve people shifting into huge monsters with a shitton of special abilities.
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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 23, 2014 22:32:57 GMT -7
Thank you, really helps with some of the lesser combat forms. I will definitely look through the forms and hit you up before applying it to them. I would like to point out to you that beast shape III still lets you go for the smaller forms so the extra abilities point is a bit mute bud  . ah on second thought, maybe I misunderstood, did you mean that smaller forms might be overbearing (hue) when raised up. I agree with that and doe think going case by case is a good plan. |
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Post by Gryphyx on Nov 24, 2014 12:06:23 GMT -7
oh and yes, for the 4th question I was unclear, but I was a asking if we could purchase it for the marked up price as it is unusually shaped. Yes. But its doubtful they'd have anything in stock so you'd have to order it on day x and get it on day x+crafting time. Keep in mind that craft progress is increased by 7x. Hey Wizard, another quick thought on this. This could actually be a great way to get the mundane crafters involved too. If you can get them to make it for you at the 75% minimum cost, they make some money, you save some money, and they feel for relevant. |
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Post by wizardfrog on Nov 25, 2014 14:26:36 GMT -7
Yes. But its doubtful they'd have anything in stock so you'd have to order it on day x and get it on day x+crafting time. Keep in mind that craft progress is increased by 7x. Hey Wizard, another quick thought on this. This could actually be a great way to get the mundane crafters involved too. If you can get them to make it for you at the 75% minimum cost, they make some money, you save some money, and they feel for relevant. Thats a really cool idea, definately a good way to bring mundane crafters into the fold. |
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