Post by zzan on Apr 18, 2015 11:57:21 GMT -7
ok this archetype has so many things unclear:
for example it uses shield for shild bashing(and later on throw them) but shield bashing is using shields as martial weapons and while the class is proficient with shields it is not proficient with them as martial weapons (this can easily be fixed with the trait shield trained which also make them light weapons). what more the "Throw Shield " ability talks about how the spikes on a shield are effecting the damage. even though shied spikes turn a shield into a martial piercing weapon .
do shield champions have martial proficiency with shields and spiked shields?
next, the "Returning Shield" ability says you can use it as part of the brawler flurry ability ,this one is great, question is this. the brawler flurry state it count as two weapon fighting while using it. AND the shield champion as part of the 3rd level power of throwing shield state : " At 11th level, a shield champion gains Shield Master as a bonus feat. She must meet all prerequisites before selecting that feat." this feat has two weapon fighting as one of the prerequisites(and is usually used when two weapon fighting) so when using two weapons(or two shields) and taking the brawler flurry action do you have the request of two weapons fighting covered? (not when using a standard action to attack though).
(im ignoring the fact that normally brawlers cant flurry with shields, as it seems the shield champion over rule this)
edit = fixed my mistake shield spikes are not weapon they change what shield is
reading on, the 2nd one is even more complected as the shield slam feat (that is also a prerequst for shield master) also need 2 weapon fighting as prerequest.
for example it uses shield for shild bashing(and later on throw them) but shield bashing is using shields as martial weapons and while the class is proficient with shields it is not proficient with them as martial weapons (this can easily be fixed with the trait shield trained which also make them light weapons). what more the "Throw Shield " ability talks about how the spikes on a shield are effecting the damage. even though shied spikes turn a shield into a martial piercing weapon .
do shield champions have martial proficiency with shields and spiked shields?
next, the "Returning Shield" ability says you can use it as part of the brawler flurry ability ,this one is great, question is this. the brawler flurry state it count as two weapon fighting while using it. AND the shield champion as part of the 3rd level power of throwing shield state : " At 11th level, a shield champion gains Shield Master as a bonus feat. She must meet all prerequisites before selecting that feat." this feat has two weapon fighting as one of the prerequisites(and is usually used when two weapon fighting) so when using two weapons(or two shields) and taking the brawler flurry action do you have the request of two weapons fighting covered? (not when using a standard action to attack though).
(im ignoring the fact that normally brawlers cant flurry with shields, as it seems the shield champion over rule this)
edit = fixed my mistake shield spikes are not weapon they change what shield is
reading on, the 2nd one is even more complected as the shield slam feat (that is also a prerequst for shield master) also need 2 weapon fighting as prerequest.
